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#1 Ken Crippen

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 08:36 AM

Here are the finalists for the Hall of Very Good Class of 2011:

Ken Anderson
Position: Quarterback
Teams: Cincinnati Bengals 1971-86

Bill Bergey
Position: Linebacker
Teams: Cincinnati Bengals 1969-1973, Philadelphia Eagles 1974-1980

Cliff Branch
Position: Wide Receiver
Teams: Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders 1972-1985

Ray Bray
Position: Guard
Teams: Chicago Bears 1939-42 and 1946-51, Green Bay Packers 1952

Charley Brock
Position: Center-Halfback-Fullback
Teams: Green Bay Packers 1939-47

John Brodie
Position: Quarterback
Teams: San Francisco 49ers 1957-73

Bobby Dillon
Position: Defensive Back
Teams: Green Bay Packers 1952-1959

Ken Gray
Position: Guard
Teams: 1958-1969 St. Louis/Chicago Cardinals, 1970 Houston Oilers

Cliff Harris
Positions: Free Safety
Teams: Dallas Cowboys 1970-1979

Harold Jackson
Position: Wide Receiver
Teams: Los Angeles Rams 1968, Philadelphia Eagles 1969-1972, Los Angeles Rams 1973-1977, New England Patriots 1978-1981, Minnesota Vikings 1982, Seattle Seahawks 1983

George Kunz
Position: Tackle
Teams: 1969-1974 Atlanta Falcons, Baltimore Colts 1975-1978, 1980

Paul Lowe
Position: Halfback
Teams: Los Angeles Chargers 1960, San Diego Chargers 1961-1968, Kansas City Chiefs 1968-1969

Harvey Martin
Positions: Defensive End
Teams: Dallas Cowboys 1973-83

Eddie Meador
Position: Defensive Back
Teams: Los Angeles Rams 1959-70

Ted Nesser
Position: Tackle-Center-Head Coach
Teams: Columbus Panhandles 1920-21

Andy Russell
Positions: Linebacker
Teams: Pittsburgh Steelers 1963-76

Lou Saban
Position: Head Coach
Teams: Boston Patriots 1960-1961, Buffalo Bills 1962-1965, Denver Broncos 1967-1971, Buffalo Bills 1972-1976

Tom Sestak
Position: Defensive Tackle
Teams: Buffalo Bills 1962-1968

Jerry Smith
Position: Tight End
Teams: Washington Redskins 1965-1977

Buddy Young
Position: Halfback-Fullback-Defensive Back
Teams: New York Yankees 1947-49, New York Yanks 1950-51, Dallas Texans 1952, Baltimore Colts 1953-55



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#2 paulksandiego

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 12:17 PM

Ken,

When do we start voting?

#3 Ken Crippen

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 01:11 PM

Ken,

When do we start voting?


Coffin Corner 33-4, which goes to the publisher July 1. You should receive the issue sometime in August, with voting ending October 1.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 04:33 PM

In the case of Lou Saban, are we just evaluating his merits as a Coach, or are we supposed to take into consideration the total package - his playing career and front office career in addition to his Coaching.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 08:47 PM

As a Dallas fan, I can't help but notice (whine?) that Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris are the only two "first team" members of the 1970s All-Decade Team not to be inducted into the HOF. Adding insult to injury, two second-teamers at those positions (Paul Warfield and Larry Wilson) -- and at least one guy who didn't even make either the first or second team (John Stallworth) -- have been put in the Hall ahead of the afore-mentioned Pearson and Harris. In the words of JFK, "Life isn't fair."

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 09:51 PM

As a Dallas fan, I can't help but notice (whine?) that Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris are the only two "first team" members of the 1970s All-Decade Team not to be inducted into the HOF. Adding insult to injury, two second-teamers at those positions (Paul Warfield and Larry Wilson) -- and at least one guy who didn't even make either the first or second team (John Stallworth) -- have been put in the Hall ahead of the afore-mentioned Pearson and Harris. In the words of JFK, "Life isn't fair."

Warfield and Wilson have the edge for the HOF when you factor in their play in the 60s, and likewise with Stallworth's play in the 80s. Wilson was in fact elected to the HOF in 1978, so his All-Decade selection had no effect on that.

Wilson only played until '72, so I can easily see Jake Scott or Paul Krause being better choices for the All-70s team anyway.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 09:57 PM

>As a Dallas fan, I can't help but notice (whine?) that Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris are the only two "first team" members of the 1970s All-Decade Team not to be inducted into the HOF. Adding insult to injury, two second-teamers at those positions (Paul Warfield and Larry Wilson) -- and at least one guy who didn't even make either the first or second team (John Stallworth) -- have been put in the Hall ahead of the afore-mentioned Pearson and Harris.


I agree that Harris has a very good Hall of Fame case, and I wouldn't oppose Pearson either, but I'd say Warfield was clearly better than Pearson and Wilson was probably better than Harris. The all-decade team isn't really a valid comparison, because Warfield and Wilson earned just as many all-pro honors in the '60s as in the '70s (in Wilson's case, the large majority came in the '60s), whereas Pearson and Harris played mainly in the '70s, so they have an artificial advantage in that regard.

P.S. I see Ben has already made this point while I was still writing this, but there you go.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 06:34 AM

In the case of Lou Saban, are we just evaluating his merits as a Coach, or are we supposed to take into consideration the total package - his playing career and front office career in addition to his Coaching.


You can use any criteria you wish. I will use his entire career, but it is up to you.

Also, we noticed that Brodie was already inducted into the HOVG. He will be replaced with:

Lydell Mitchell
Position: Running Back
Teams: Baltimore Colts 1972-77, San Diego Chargers 1978-79, Los Angeles Rams 1980

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:22 PM

Early mentions here...

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 01:24 AM

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 05:15 AM

The AFC East and AFC West bloggers for ESPN.com also commented. I have had three interviews in the last two days on the HOVG. Pro Football Weekly called last night. They want to do an article on the HOVG. I think the lockout is helping with the increased buzz this year.

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 06:53 PM

I will be on with Howard Balzer on ESPN Radio St. Louis to discuss the Hall of Very Good. My segment is at noon (eastern time) on Sunday.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 12:25 PM

Pro Football Weekly article on the Hall of Very Good - http://www.profootba...ome-of-games-gr

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 12:03 AM

I will be on with Howard Balzer on ESPN Radio St. Louis to discuss the Hall of Very Good. My segment is at noon (eastern time) on Sunday.


Ken, could you give a recap of the interview, how did it go? Would love to hear a report.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 05:26 AM

Ken, could you give a recap of the interview, how did it go? Would love to hear a report.


It went very well. I gave a quick description of the PFRA and what we do. Then we went into the Hall of Very Good. We discussed the concept behind the HOVG, how it started and how people are selected. We then went into each finalist and he was curious about Ted Nesser, so we talked about him for a little while. We also talked a little bit about the HOF. The whole interview was about 15 minutes.